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welcome to the hidden truth show podcast

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we're gonna provide for you an interview

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that we did with Stanton Peele who is an

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expert on addiction and not a fan of the

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12-step program he is the author of

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resisting 12-step coercion how to fight

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forced participation in a.a n.a or

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12-step treatment this is the middle of

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a deep dive called AAA kills where it's

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our belief that AAA is letting down far

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more people than it's helping and then

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America's addiction to AAA needs to come

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to an end

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check out this interview with Stanton

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Peele hope you can handle it because

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anything radical yet nothing is or is

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not addictive nothing is addictive

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opiates of are addictive you know I'll

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tell you about an exercise that I do

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I'll give you got your fans a tree um

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you can see me at Rutgers I just was one

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of the same stage as the Portuguese drug

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czar and here's what is my opening

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gambit they say how many people in this

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room have had a painkiller and everybody

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raises their hands and then I say did

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you become addicted have any people

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became addicted to the painkiller raise

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your hand so a hundred people let's say

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in that audience raise their hand

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they've had an opioid painkiller zero

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became addicted to it and I say explain

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that to me

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aren't opioids the epitome of addiction

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aren't they aren't we hearing constantly

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that they wrote people in a man like Sam

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cojones right Screenland

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and he devotes all chapter to how the

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opioid molecule captures usually can't

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escape and yet zero percent of the

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people in that room become addicted are

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opioids addictive well they are they

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it's something that people are capable

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of becoming addicted to

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exactly what definition applies to

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everything that we could discuss we for

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a hundred and more years have decided

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that opioids heroin being the most but

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you know put morphine whatever are a

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source of addiction I have some kind of

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secret chemical message that's not true

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one's never been found one will never be

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fail of course you know well DSM doesn't

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lie Lanny drug addictive but people now

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are capable of saying marijuana is

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addictive cocaine is because they're

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very different chemical experiences as

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we said gave a call gambling addicted so

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obviously it's not the chemical

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structure per se that's the source of

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addiction addiction takes place at the

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level of a human experience and how a

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person relates to a particular

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involvement and so we are and have been

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thinking wrongly about addiction for

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maybe a hundred or 150 years with only

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hundred 150 years in the 19th century

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people didn't think of opioids as

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addictive they didn't say Oh opioids in

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that case morphine and opium they didn't

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say oh they're addiction they caused

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addiction and nothing else causes

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addiction we invented that around the

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turn of the 20th century now everybody

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believes it they can't distract to sway

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themselves from that feeling where that

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belief and it's completely wrong headed

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and it's killing you want me to give you

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examples how it's killing please um

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you're aware everybody's heard there's

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72 thousand people died of drug related

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causes last year most people miss state

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that as being opioid overdoses they died

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of drugs and the single policy that

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we've most tried to do that to prevent

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however Oh drug-related deaths of

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increase for each the last five years

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and hit a record height in 2017 for

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killers heroin methamphetamines cocaine

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and benzodiazepines during those same

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opioids have declined precipitously now

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do you see what's happening and why it's

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happening because we mistakenly attached

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addiction to drugs we say well opiate

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always draw addiction and that's why

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people die let's not give people opioids

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let's give them fewer opioids and more

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and more people die why do you think

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that's happening by the way that's

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pretty critical thing to know isn't it

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more people dying despite fewer

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prescriptions yes they're turning to

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heroin and they're almost and they're

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almost like this yes going up like that

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person's going down like that they're in

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reverse order because they're because

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they're turning to street drugs like

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heroin well they're dying of

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prescription painkillers - you know you

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can get them on the street - you know um

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so anyway that was my guess at the

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answer you might say you're in the

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boardwalk

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okay when you're not yeah people don't

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taking brains illness by a prescription

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you don't people don't die in the

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hospital they give you pretty powerful

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painkillers inaudible men they send you

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home with the prescription people don't

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a microscopic number of people say hey I

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want to keep doing this 99 but well you

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took painkillers why did you stop taking

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I'm sorry you told me you raise your

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hand city took painkillers Oh uh-huh

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why not because the pain went because I

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no longer needed them for the payment

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wallah and if you had any temptation to

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take them and you would say well I'm I'm

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not gonna go start taking painkillers on

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the street I'm gonna stop buying

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prescriptions and you would say you know

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I've got a few things to do I've got

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this show to do you know I'm you're

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connected to lights so the answer isn't

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that you took an opiate or didn't take

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an empty void and that would that would

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even hold true you took the opiate would

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for a month or two because you had back

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pain you still wouldn't become addicted

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it's a first then it becomes addicted to

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a substance it's not a substance that

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cause addiction which is uh which is

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where you were headed um and when when

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people are seeking painkillers either

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because they're addicted or because

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they're in pain and they can't get them

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they'll hit the streets for not only her

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or when but painkillers and also

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benzodiazepine deaths are going up also

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which are only you know people take

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tranquilizers sometimes for pain

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everything is going up so that the fact

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that they're seeking alternatives is

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partly the answer but here's the other

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answer I mean if you're skeptical about

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what I've said so far you're gonna you

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know cut off the interview and say I'm

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crazy now we've become convinced that we

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can't control drugs that makes us more

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susceptible to addiction if you have a

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child and he has the weakness let's say

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let's say bites his nails there's some

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little problem you don't say Johnny let

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me explain something to you

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you're addicted to biting your nails

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you're never gonna stop biting your

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nails that's just the way you're

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genetically wired um you can't help it

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possibly the only we can do is have you

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wear a catcher's mitt all the time no

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anybody would do that

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you know what would you say about them

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as a pyramid but that's basically how we

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approach alcohol and draw and often for

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people the same age will tell us 60 here

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over 17 year old who may be doing things

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we judge not to be you know well behaved

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or possibly dangerous and we say oh for

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God's sake you've got to go there yeah

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you've got a lifetime and disease you

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know we've already gone into your drug

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taking be your painkiller behavior we're

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not gonna go into your entire history

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but many people that you and I might

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know drank in pretty random and bad ways

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when they were 16 18 22 and 24 and 90%

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of them don't drink that way now they

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got married they got a job drinking

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ceased to be the fun thing that it was

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and we're in the process I'm writing a

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book by the way now by the way I have

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something called the life process

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program which works with people who have

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problems it's a non disease based

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program and I'm writing a book with a

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man who's a developmental specialist

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named Zack Rhodes called out growing

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addiction with common sense rather than

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disease therapy and what we express is

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that addiction can be a normal

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developmental process there are periods

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that people go through like when they

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were soldiers were in Vietnam for

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example where addiction is a common

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sometimes you might even say normal

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response of certain kinds of college and

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you to youth young adult drinking but

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that the normal developmental process

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takes us away from that and that way of

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thinking about addiction helps us to

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deal with addiction and these ways it

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makes us realize that we're not

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powerless and totally captive to them it

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makes our approach to the thing not to

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be to say well never drink you know if

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you tell a sixteen-year-old

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here's my plan for you never drink again

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that's a bad plan or if you're trained

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you're gonna go

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kill yourself that's not a real plan it

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allows us to navigate with people

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through their lives to help them be more

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aware to help encourage maturity and

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responsibility to protect them perhaps

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when they're being at a more foolhardy

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point to allow them to get to a point

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where they're going to be more sensible

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and less likely to destroy themselves

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that's a little different way of

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thinking about addiction and approaching

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it and so my joke in quotes how much

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longer will we try and reduce painkiller

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prescriptions while deaths from drugs go

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up before we decide you know maybe we

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need a different approach here maybe we

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should just get people pain pills you

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know when they're in pain conceivably we

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might even give them pills when they're

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addicted and say you know we'd like you

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to talk to a therapist this is a healthy

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way of being but you're not gonna die

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from receiving prescription painkillers

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you're gonna die from mixing five or six

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kinds of medications that's how people

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die and the goal is to keep the ethical

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harm reduction the goal is to support

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them

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reach a point where they'll be able to

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live their lives independent of an

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addiction but banning drugs or

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instructing people that their lifelong

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addicts for telling them listen buddy if

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you ever touch this drug again you're

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doomed now I know you used to be a

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heroin addict and now you know you went

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to the hospital and they removed your

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sorry we're not gonna give you an

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anesthetic which by the way no human

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being in the world would do every even

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the worst disease advocate who says I

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can't never touch the painkiller again

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when they say we're gonna remove your

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appendix she's one to give me some

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painkillers for the time being you know

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and let me see if I can deal with that

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what do you think you think I make any

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sense or you write down the juice you

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think no III think it's an interesting

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approach basically if I'm understanding

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you you're saying you don't like the

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idea of labeling things addictive or non

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addictive yes good we want to look at

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the individual and the underlying issues

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with that individual that's causing it

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indicates that the possibility of being

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more or less depending upon how

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powerfully and directly they alter your

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experience that was I was gonna make

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that point that I presume that if a

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painkiller came out that was less

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addictive if I can use that word I know

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you don't like to use that but that that

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people were less inclined to become

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addicted to you would support using that

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painkiller or such thing there's no pain

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relief in and of itself is potentially

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addictive we can there was a

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hypothetical pill a hypothetical pill

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that was less addictive you would say

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yes let's move painkiller can you know

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in pharmacology there used to be the

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search for the non addictive painkiller

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has been going on for over 100 years

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how about advil for instance advil

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doesn't that was a mild painkiller some

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drugs are more overwhelmingly deadening

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to your experience

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I mean you know fetid fentanyl and

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heroin but you get things in the

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hospitals are more powerful than street

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heroin

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anyway we're in agreement that some

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things can be have more addictive

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qualities than others and perhaps and

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more addictive qualities is because they

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more directly and predictably alter your

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experience so that you can rely on them

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for that purpose and what is let's go to

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that but you know out but but that still

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doesn't explain any addiction sex more

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readily modifies powerfully modifies

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people experience when they were their

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20s and 30s than any drugs if you

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